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	<title>Comments on: Riding the bus</title>
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		<title>By: cinco</title>
		<link>http://greencouple.com/2009/01/14/riding-the-bus/comment-page-1/#comment-2963</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 16:22:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t know before I got one that most government jobs will pay either your parking fees or your transit costs.  Of course with a car you&#039;re also paying for gas, maintenance, and the car itself.  So free parking is nice, but not much of a savings when compared with totally free transit.  The system my job uses rounds up to the nearest dollar for each day&#039;s usage, so I have a little extra for weekend travel, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t know before I got one that most government jobs will pay either your parking fees or your transit costs.  Of course with a car you&#8217;re also paying for gas, maintenance, and the car itself.  So free parking is nice, but not much of a savings when compared with totally free transit.  The system my job uses rounds up to the nearest dollar for each day&#8217;s usage, so I have a little extra for weekend travel, too.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 01:59:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But biking in the snow is fun! It was 4F this morning, which has turned the remaining slush into solid pieces of ice.

I rode to a cyclotouring meeting the other night in an 8&quot; snowstorm. (I have a personal thing against driving to cycling events.) I&#039;ve got a great halogen headlight as well as 2 flashing taillights and several reflectors, and had an amazing ride that night on my mountain bike. Earlier that day I went for a 23 mile ride on my road bike (equipped with 700x28 &quot;winter&quot; tires) just as the snow was approaching. The ride was to check out the waterfalls north of where I live, which was a spectacular view. I could have driven, but where&#039;s the adventure in that? I know... it probably seems crazy, but when someone once asked how I started riding in winter, my reply was &quot;I just didn&#039;t stop riding after summer!&quot; I have to make life interesting somehow!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But biking in the snow is fun! It was 4F this morning, which has turned the remaining slush into solid pieces of ice.</p>
<p>I rode to a cyclotouring meeting the other night in an 8&#8243; snowstorm. (I have a personal thing against driving to cycling events.) I&#8217;ve got a great halogen headlight as well as 2 flashing taillights and several reflectors, and had an amazing ride that night on my mountain bike. Earlier that day I went for a 23 mile ride on my road bike (equipped with 700&#215;28 &#8220;winter&#8221; tires) just as the snow was approaching. The ride was to check out the waterfalls north of where I live, which was a spectacular view. I could have driven, but where&#8217;s the adventure in that? I know&#8230; it probably seems crazy, but when someone once asked how I started riding in winter, my reply was &#8220;I just didn&#8217;t stop riding after summer!&#8221; I have to make life interesting somehow!</p>
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		<title>By: Will</title>
		<link>http://greencouple.com/2009/01/14/riding-the-bus/comment-page-1/#comment-2960</link>
		<dc:creator>Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 23:38:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Arduous : Yep, the university pays the local bus system so that students and faculty can ride for free.  Apart from being awesome for students/faculty, it helps the university reduce parking needs which helps them out.  And the bus system gets some consistent capital, which is nice too.

Andy: Definitely!  It&#039;s easy to just look at the sticker price on the car (or a gallon of gas), but it&#039;s hard to factor in maintenance and opportunity costs.  It&#039;s even harder to connect those with how frequently you drive, so as you say it seems to cost less every mile that you drive.

Now that Maggie and I are down to one car, the inconvenience factor mitigates that somewhat.

I agree that buses tend not to work well unless you have a regular schedule.  If you&#039;re not used to the system, it&#039;s too hard to figure out how long it&#039;ll take you to get anywhere, especially if you have to change buses.

On the other hand, I&#039;m so glad that I could take the bus yesterday rather than having to walk or bike through the snow!  I also managed to get pretty far along in Paul Krugman&#039;s latest book, which was nice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Arduous : Yep, the university pays the local bus system so that students and faculty can ride for free.  Apart from being awesome for students/faculty, it helps the university reduce parking needs which helps them out.  And the bus system gets some consistent capital, which is nice too.</p>
<p>Andy: Definitely!  It&#8217;s easy to just look at the sticker price on the car (or a gallon of gas), but it&#8217;s hard to factor in maintenance and opportunity costs.  It&#8217;s even harder to connect those with how frequently you drive, so as you say it seems to cost less every mile that you drive.</p>
<p>Now that Maggie and I are down to one car, the inconvenience factor mitigates that somewhat.</p>
<p>I agree that buses tend not to work well unless you have a regular schedule.  If you&#8217;re not used to the system, it&#8217;s too hard to figure out how long it&#8217;ll take you to get anywhere, especially if you have to change buses.</p>
<p>On the other hand, I&#8217;m so glad that I could take the bus yesterday rather than having to walk or bike through the snow!  I also managed to get pretty far along in Paul Krugman&#8217;s latest book, which was nice.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://greencouple.com/2009/01/14/riding-the-bus/comment-page-1/#comment-2959</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 22:34:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cars cost a lot more than anyone imagines. The most recent figure I saw was $8,700 per year on average for Americans. That doesn&#039;t factor in the cost of a garage either (since many spend $50k more for a house just because of the garage). The problem is, once you own a car, it&#039;s cheaper to continue using it. The more you drive, the cheaper per mile it becomes.

Buses are great, but other than the occasional ride or the dedicated bus commuters, I don&#039;t think buses work well for most others. As you said, to get on and off several times costs more and requires more waiting. For those looking for many stops, carsharing becomes a good option too. After my experiences with walking and biking to work, I would never live in a place that would require a drive or bus trip.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cars cost a lot more than anyone imagines. The most recent figure I saw was $8,700 per year on average for Americans. That doesn&#8217;t factor in the cost of a garage either (since many spend $50k more for a house just because of the garage). The problem is, once you own a car, it&#8217;s cheaper to continue using it. The more you drive, the cheaper per mile it becomes.</p>
<p>Buses are great, but other than the occasional ride or the dedicated bus commuters, I don&#8217;t think buses work well for most others. As you said, to get on and off several times costs more and requires more waiting. For those looking for many stops, carsharing becomes a good option too. After my experiences with walking and biking to work, I would never live in a place that would require a drive or bus trip.</p>
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		<title>By: arduous</title>
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		<dc:creator>arduous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 22:26:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>your new id? 
does the school pay for your bus?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>your new id?<br />
does the school pay for your bus?</p>
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