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		<title>By: The End of the Eco-Challenge &#124; GreenCouple.com</title>
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		<title>By: Maggie</title>
		<link>http://greencouple.com/2008/04/29/the-crunchy-chicken-extreme-eco-challenge/#comment-431</link>
		<dc:creator>Maggie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 00:31:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jessica - 
Yeah, the woman who suggested the squirt bottle method said it was pretty common for women to do that after they give birth, which I must admit creeped me out a lot.  I've been reading up a little on pregnancy and childbirth and there is just so much crazy information!
I had a friend who got a PUD and really loved it.  I haven't tried one myself.  I think TP would still be required and I think you still have to pull your pants down a fair amount but perhaps I'll get one and do some actual experimentation.  Well, after my plastic-free month.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jessica -<br />
Yeah, the woman who suggested the squirt bottle method said it was pretty common for women to do that after they give birth, which I must admit creeped me out a lot.  I&#8217;ve been reading up a little on pregnancy and childbirth and there is just so much crazy information!<br />
I had a friend who got a PUD and really loved it.  I haven&#8217;t tried one myself.  I think TP would still be required and I think you still have to pull your pants down a fair amount but perhaps I&#8217;ll get one and do some actual experimentation.  Well, after my plastic-free month.  <img src='http://greencouple.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Jessica</title>
		<link>http://greencouple.com/2008/04/29/the-crunchy-chicken-extreme-eco-challenge/#comment-428</link>
		<dc:creator>Jessica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 20:53:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maggie,
Ha!  Thats pretty much how I had to wipe after I had my son.  Episiotomies suck.  I can't believe I didn't think about that.  The wetness didn't bother me too much, although I was practically wearing a diaper.  The aftermath of childbirth is gross.
To pee standing up, you could get a PUD (personal urinary device).  The military issues these to women who will be travelling on convoys in Iraq so that they can pee off the side of the trucks if they need to and not stop, just like the men.  At least, thats what my first sergeant told me.  I have seen ads for civilian versions of them before, and I thought that it would be really handy for camping, but I dont think it would eliminate the need for toilet paper.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maggie,<br />
Ha!  Thats pretty much how I had to wipe after I had my son.  Episiotomies suck.  I can&#8217;t believe I didn&#8217;t think about that.  The wetness didn&#8217;t bother me too much, although I was practically wearing a diaper.  The aftermath of childbirth is gross.<br />
To pee standing up, you could get a PUD (personal urinary device).  The military issues these to women who will be travelling on convoys in Iraq so that they can pee off the side of the trucks if they need to and not stop, just like the men.  At least, thats what my first sergeant told me.  I have seen ads for civilian versions of them before, and I thought that it would be really handy for camping, but I dont think it would eliminate the need for toilet paper.</p>
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		<title>By: arduous</title>
		<link>http://greencouple.com/2008/04/29/the-crunchy-chicken-extreme-eco-challenge/#comment-416</link>
		<dc:creator>arduous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 23:12:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have reservations about Crunchy's challenge for some of the same reasons Andy mentions. But I've agreed to try things out: the plastic for a week, the water for a week, and the electricity for a day.

I was thinking of trying the garbage out too, but you're right about the floss.

Ultimately though, I think the attitude to approach this is one of: look, I'm going to (somewhat) fail. But even if I fail, I'm going to be doing so much better than I WAS doing. It's less about reaching ZERO plastic/paper/etc, and more about greatly reducing and realizing what you need to use and what you really don't need.

And that's why I'm not doing paper. I use very minimal paper that is mostly just TP for number 2, and scraps of what is usually junk mail for notes and grocery lists and stuff. I'm happy with that paper consumption, and I don't really feel the need to change. 

Anyway, that's my two cents. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have reservations about Crunchy&#8217;s challenge for some of the same reasons Andy mentions. But I&#8217;ve agreed to try things out: the plastic for a week, the water for a week, and the electricity for a day.</p>
<p>I was thinking of trying the garbage out too, but you&#8217;re right about the floss.</p>
<p>Ultimately though, I think the attitude to approach this is one of: look, I&#8217;m going to (somewhat) fail. But even if I fail, I&#8217;m going to be doing so much better than I WAS doing. It&#8217;s less about reaching ZERO plastic/paper/etc, and more about greatly reducing and realizing what you need to use and what you really don&#8217;t need.</p>
<p>And that&#8217;s why I&#8217;m not doing paper. I use very minimal paper that is mostly just TP for number 2, and scraps of what is usually junk mail for notes and grocery lists and stuff. I&#8217;m happy with that paper consumption, and I don&#8217;t really feel the need to change. </p>
<p>Anyway, that&#8217;s my two cents. <img src='http://greencouple.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Julie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 20:19:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm. I'm intrigued. Working at home on computer rules out the electricity one. I could manage paper products except I am not hard-core enough to give up TP. No driving I could probably handle since I work from home—at least for a week or two. But then travel plans will get in the way. I'd love to try local food only but, because I'm in Illinois, I'll have to wait until summer's in full swing too (or so I think). I've started composting and recycle what I can but, realistically, wouldn't be able to pull off a zero-garbage policy without really putting some thought into everything I purchase, use, etc. So that one I'll consider but for now it's on the backburner. No excessive water usage I try to do already but could do more, so that's a good one for the list. And no plastic? I'd love to try it. That might be first.

So, to sum up my rambling, I plan to try (in the near future, though I can't promise it'll be this week, and in no particular order):

1. No driving
2. No garbage
3. No excessive water use
4. Only local food
5. No plastic

Can't wait to see what you all do!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm. I&#8217;m intrigued. Working at home on computer rules out the electricity one. I could manage paper products except I am not hard-core enough to give up TP. No driving I could probably handle since I work from home—at least for a week or two. But then travel plans will get in the way. I&#8217;d love to try local food only but, because I&#8217;m in Illinois, I&#8217;ll have to wait until summer&#8217;s in full swing too (or so I think). I&#8217;ve started composting and recycle what I can but, realistically, wouldn&#8217;t be able to pull off a zero-garbage policy without really putting some thought into everything I purchase, use, etc. So that one I&#8217;ll consider but for now it&#8217;s on the backburner. No excessive water usage I try to do already but could do more, so that&#8217;s a good one for the list. And no plastic? I&#8217;d love to try it. That might be first.</p>
<p>So, to sum up my rambling, I plan to try (in the near future, though I can&#8217;t promise it&#8217;ll be this week, and in no particular order):</p>
<p>1. No driving<br />
2. No garbage<br />
3. No excessive water use<br />
4. Only local food<br />
5. No plastic</p>
<p>Can&#8217;t wait to see what you all do!</p>
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		<title>By: Maggie</title>
		<link>http://greencouple.com/2008/04/29/the-crunchy-chicken-extreme-eco-challenge/#comment-406</link>
		<dc:creator>Maggie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 02:18:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jessica - 
I am planning to post on my TP-free method once I do a little more experimentation but the basic idea is to use a squirt bottle to rinse and then a little bootie shake to dry.  I haven't tried for #2 yet but I also haven't been terribly satisfied with the method for # 1.  It mostly just makes me feel wet.  I had been planning to use cloth toilet paper, discussed at cheaplikeme's blog: http://cheaplikeme.wordpress.com/2007/07/17/eco-quandary-to-use-toilet-
paper-or-to-use-toilet-cloth-that-is-the-oh-so-personal-question/ 
but then I read another post talking about how the squirt bottle method is way easier: http://arduousblog.blogspot.com/2008/01/warning-this-post-contains-tmi.html

I'm hoping eventually I'll find something that works.  For now I'm focusing on using 3 squares of recycled toilet paper and reminding myself that it's good to stay hydrated.  Oh, and if you know any women who can pee standing up without making a mess, I'd love a lesson.  I keep hearing it's possible but no one will give me a demonstration.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jessica -<br />
I am planning to post on my TP-free method once I do a little more experimentation but the basic idea is to use a squirt bottle to rinse and then a little bootie shake to dry.  I haven&#8217;t tried for #2 yet but I also haven&#8217;t been terribly satisfied with the method for # 1.  It mostly just makes me feel wet.  I had been planning to use cloth toilet paper, discussed at cheaplikeme&#8217;s blog: <a href="http://cheaplikeme.wordpress.com/2007/07/17/eco-quandary-to-use-toilet-" rel="nofollow">http://cheaplikeme.wordpress.com/2007/07/17/eco-quandary-to-use-toilet-</a><br />
paper-or-to-use-toilet-cloth-that-is-the-oh-so-personal-question/<br />
but then I read another post talking about how the squirt bottle method is way easier: <a href="http://arduousblog.blogspot.com/2008/01/warning-this-post-contains-tmi.html" rel="nofollow">http://arduousblog.blogspot.com/2008/01/warning-this-post-contains-tmi.html</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;m hoping eventually I&#8217;ll find something that works.  For now I&#8217;m focusing on using 3 squares of recycled toilet paper and reminding myself that it&#8217;s good to stay hydrated.  Oh, and if you know any women who can pee standing up without making a mess, I&#8217;d love a lesson.  I keep hearing it&#8217;s possible but no one will give me a demonstration.  <img src='http://greencouple.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Maggie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maggie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 02:14:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andy - 
For me, the challenge would be to stretch myself well beyond my comfort zone so that after the challenge my comfort zone would be expanded.  As an example, I currently use about 20 gallons of diesel per month.  If I stopped driving for a month, I'm sure there would be parts that would be hugely inconvenient and there would be parts where I would go "oh, I guess it's really not that bad to take the bus downtown."  After the challenge, I'd like to think that my "normal" diesel use would go down, lets say to 12 gallons per month, because that would suddenly seem like a major luxury.  So I guess for me the challenge would be 
1. a way to recalibrate my expectations (a 2-minute hot shower?  awesome!)
2. challenge me to find some creative solutions in a short time period
3. get me thinking about what I'm comfortable changing in the long-term
There are days when I feel like I could live an eco-extreme life but there are others when it sounds like pure torture and so I want to be realistic about what balance will work for me.  It sounds like you've found a pretty hardcore eco style of life that works for you and I applaud you.  I'll see if I can't steal a few of your ideas.  :)  And I totally hear you about the fridge.  I have seen a number of cool options out there, including the indoor/outdoor refrigerator option where it's built into the wall so in the winter you just take off the back insulating panel and let the weather do the cooling.  My personal pet peeve is people who run their air conditioning at night even though the outdoor air is plenty cool.  I'd like to see an A/C system that was smart enough to turn off the compressor if the outdoor air was as cool or colder as the thermostat setting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andy -<br />
For me, the challenge would be to stretch myself well beyond my comfort zone so that after the challenge my comfort zone would be expanded.  As an example, I currently use about 20 gallons of diesel per month.  If I stopped driving for a month, I&#8217;m sure there would be parts that would be hugely inconvenient and there would be parts where I would go &#8220;oh, I guess it&#8217;s really not that bad to take the bus downtown.&#8221;  After the challenge, I&#8217;d like to think that my &#8220;normal&#8221; diesel use would go down, lets say to 12 gallons per month, because that would suddenly seem like a major luxury.  So I guess for me the challenge would be<br />
1. a way to recalibrate my expectations (a 2-minute hot shower?  awesome!)<br />
2. challenge me to find some creative solutions in a short time period<br />
3. get me thinking about what I&#8217;m comfortable changing in the long-term<br />
There are days when I feel like I could live an eco-extreme life but there are others when it sounds like pure torture and so I want to be realistic about what balance will work for me.  It sounds like you&#8217;ve found a pretty hardcore eco style of life that works for you and I applaud you.  I&#8217;ll see if I can&#8217;t steal a few of your ideas.  <img src='http://greencouple.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  And I totally hear you about the fridge.  I have seen a number of cool options out there, including the indoor/outdoor refrigerator option where it&#8217;s built into the wall so in the winter you just take off the back insulating panel and let the weather do the cooling.  My personal pet peeve is people who run their air conditioning at night even though the outdoor air is plenty cool.  I&#8217;d like to see an A/C system that was smart enough to turn off the compressor if the outdoor air was as cool or colder as the thermostat setting.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://greencouple.com/2008/04/29/the-crunchy-chicken-extreme-eco-challenge/#comment-404</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 23:29:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm just going to write out my thoughts on the 7 topics:

1. No plastic (don’t buy or consume anything in plastic).
This is possible for me but difficult until June. Last summer I was almost off plastic except the occasional Nalgene for water and juice (I'm diabetic, hard to get around that although I did make my own juice for a month when rhubarb was in season). Finding ways to extend the season of unpackaged food is the trick, and I was at least able to cover about 2/3rds of my lunches with unpackaged food I saved over winter.

2. No paper products.
TP is of course the difficult one here. I don't use any new paper anymore in anything I do. I take all notes and read most everything on my laptop (maybe a higher impact in the end though). When I need paper I reuse computer paper that others discarded, or in the case of TP it is recycled paper (No not recycled TP!) But I have used the wipe, fold, repeat method which uses 1/3rd TP as before.

3. No driving.
Well, I drive for work, but it's essentially public transportation to campus that allows 13 cars a day to be off the road, so in this case I think it's allowable. I ride my bike (infinite mpg) or moped (~80mpg) otherwise.

4. Local food only.
Again, difficult here until June, mostly because of poor planning. As I said, most of my lunches are local foods I stored since last August/September, but other than that it is slim pickings at the moment here.

5. No garbage output (compost and recyclables only).
As I said earlier I tried really hard for about 6 weeks and got down to 1.5% of the typical American's waste. I can't get beyond that without curing diabetes.

6. No excessive water usage 
My water heater holds 19 gallons, which is enough for about 12 minutes in the shower. I usually use most of that, so I guess I could still reduce there. I use about half a gallon to wash dishes as mentioned in a comment to an earlier post. I wash clothes about every 3-4 weeks in full loads.

7. No electricity (you can leave your fridge on if you must).
This winter I offset most of the fridge's power usage by filling it with ice made naturally outside. If I owned this place, my fridge would be outside. Have you ever wondered why we heat the indoors AND have a box to say cold there also? It baffles me, but I guess it's convenience. I have a medium multimedia center, an alarm clock, a toaster oven, water heater, and this laptop as the only other things that use electricity. Did I mention this laptop uses the same amount of energy as a small 60 watt-equivalent compact fluorescent light bulb? 13 watts. :)

So I have some room to improve, and I'll certainly need to relearn some solutions when I move in 4 weeks, but I feel like I'm on track to fit these challenges if I were to take them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m just going to write out my thoughts on the 7 topics:</p>
<p>1. No plastic (don’t buy or consume anything in plastic).<br />
This is possible for me but difficult until June. Last summer I was almost off plastic except the occasional Nalgene for water and juice (I&#8217;m diabetic, hard to get around that although I did make my own juice for a month when rhubarb was in season). Finding ways to extend the season of unpackaged food is the trick, and I was at least able to cover about 2/3rds of my lunches with unpackaged food I saved over winter.</p>
<p>2. No paper products.<br />
TP is of course the difficult one here. I don&#8217;t use any new paper anymore in anything I do. I take all notes and read most everything on my laptop (maybe a higher impact in the end though). When I need paper I reuse computer paper that others discarded, or in the case of TP it is recycled paper (No not recycled TP!) But I have used the wipe, fold, repeat method which uses 1/3rd TP as before.</p>
<p>3. No driving.<br />
Well, I drive for work, but it&#8217;s essentially public transportation to campus that allows 13 cars a day to be off the road, so in this case I think it&#8217;s allowable. I ride my bike (infinite mpg) or moped (~80mpg) otherwise.</p>
<p>4. Local food only.<br />
Again, difficult here until June, mostly because of poor planning. As I said, most of my lunches are local foods I stored since last August/September, but other than that it is slim pickings at the moment here.</p>
<p>5. No garbage output (compost and recyclables only).<br />
As I said earlier I tried really hard for about 6 weeks and got down to 1.5% of the typical American&#8217;s waste. I can&#8217;t get beyond that without curing diabetes.</p>
<p>6. No excessive water usage<br />
My water heater holds 19 gallons, which is enough for about 12 minutes in the shower. I usually use most of that, so I guess I could still reduce there. I use about half a gallon to wash dishes as mentioned in a comment to an earlier post. I wash clothes about every 3-4 weeks in full loads.</p>
<p>7. No electricity (you can leave your fridge on if you must).<br />
This winter I offset most of the fridge&#8217;s power usage by filling it with ice made naturally outside. If I owned this place, my fridge would be outside. Have you ever wondered why we heat the indoors AND have a box to say cold there also? It baffles me, but I guess it&#8217;s convenience. I have a medium multimedia center, an alarm clock, a toaster oven, water heater, and this laptop as the only other things that use electricity. Did I mention this laptop uses the same amount of energy as a small 60 watt-equivalent compact fluorescent light bulb? 13 watts. <img src='http://greencouple.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>So I have some room to improve, and I&#8217;ll certainly need to relearn some solutions when I move in 4 weeks, but I feel like I&#8217;m on track to fit these challenges if I were to take them.</p>
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		<title>By: Jessica</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jessica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 22:57:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm already working hard at #1, but its damn near impossible when you live with your mom.  She just thinks I'm being extremist.  I don't want my son to grow boobs and lose all his sperm (BPA, found in many a plastic, mimics estrogen in your body)!
#2, thats just not going to happen, for the same reasons as you, planner, books, magazines, etc.  I'm curious as to what your TP free method is, though, because I am trying to eliminate disposable paper products like paper plates and paper towels.  I figured TP is the only one of those things I can't eliminate.  I don't know the 5 shells method.
#3  I wish.  That doesn't seem possible either, given my location, my work location, my daycare location, and my hours.  One day ...
#4  I like your plan, mostly because when the day comes that my only choices are local food, I want to be able to remember oranges.
#5  I'm minimizing as best as I can.  Thats damn near impossible when you have a baby.
#6  I'm trying.  Its so hard to measure excessive.  I want a grey water system, then I won't feel so bad.
#7  Ha!  Lots of people live this one simply because they can't afford utilities.  That one might be the easiest of them all.  But that doesn't mean I'm going to do it.
I must check out this blog though.  I'm working on my own buy nothing challange and didn't even know someone had issued a similar challange to all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m already working hard at #1, but its damn near impossible when you live with your mom.  She just thinks I&#8217;m being extremist.  I don&#8217;t want my son to grow boobs and lose all his sperm (BPA, found in many a plastic, mimics estrogen in your body)!<br />
#2, thats just not going to happen, for the same reasons as you, planner, books, magazines, etc.  I&#8217;m curious as to what your TP free method is, though, because I am trying to eliminate disposable paper products like paper plates and paper towels.  I figured TP is the only one of those things I can&#8217;t eliminate.  I don&#8217;t know the 5 shells method.<br />
#3  I wish.  That doesn&#8217;t seem possible either, given my location, my work location, my daycare location, and my hours.  One day &#8230;<br />
#4  I like your plan, mostly because when the day comes that my only choices are local food, I want to be able to remember oranges.<br />
#5  I&#8217;m minimizing as best as I can.  Thats damn near impossible when you have a baby.<br />
#6  I&#8217;m trying.  Its so hard to measure excessive.  I want a grey water system, then I won&#8217;t feel so bad.<br />
#7  Ha!  Lots of people live this one simply because they can&#8217;t afford utilities.  That one might be the easiest of them all.  But that doesn&#8217;t mean I&#8217;m going to do it.<br />
I must check out this blog though.  I&#8217;m working on my own buy nothing challange and didn&#8217;t even know someone had issued a similar challange to all.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 21:38:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maggie, I think a month is not a bad amount of time. For some reason I was thinking this challenge was a week, but maybe that came from the 1 day off per week thing. I think in general though, putting a time frame on something which you want to be a lifestyle change defeats the purpose a bit. What do you do after that time period is over? If you go back to using more plastic, driving more and such, then it shows that the solutions weren't found, which to me seems like a reason o keep trying; not just sop there and say 'I tried but failed'.
-Andy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maggie, I think a month is not a bad amount of time. For some reason I was thinking this challenge was a week, but maybe that came from the 1 day off per week thing. I think in general though, putting a time frame on something which you want to be a lifestyle change defeats the purpose a bit. What do you do after that time period is over? If you go back to using more plastic, driving more and such, then it shows that the solutions weren&#8217;t found, which to me seems like a reason o keep trying; not just sop there and say &#8216;I tried but failed&#8217;.<br />
-Andy</p>
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