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		<title>By: Running the numbers on dishwashing &#124; GreenCouple.com</title>
		<link>http://greencouple.com/2008/04/11/communal-travel-decisions/#comment-1350</link>
		<dc:creator>Running the numbers on dishwashing &#124; GreenCouple.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 18:19:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] guess I have numbers on the brain after thinking about travel (in specific and more generally), because the last time I hand washed, I decided to measure how much water I actually [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Will</title>
		<link>http://greencouple.com/2008/04/11/communal-travel-decisions/#comment-337</link>
		<dc:creator>Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 14:49:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SDG: Thanks!  I'm glad it was useful.  The carbon calculator I used made planes seem especially bad by using a 2x multiplier to adjust for the fact that planes release their CO2 in the upper atmosphere.  I'd still avoid planes for that reason, but if you can't avoid planes, I think your marginal difference in CO2 emissions (even with the unknown additional affect of where planes are producing their emissions) is going to be pretty low in a large plane full of people.  I know that Boeing and presumably other airplane manufacturers are trying to come up with better fuels.  Maybe in the future, we'll ride veggie oil planes!

arduous: No problem.  I usually like running through numbers.  My analysis doesn't really cover school buses anyway, since all of my numbers are for inter-city busing.  I don't know how intra-city transportation compares, although my guess is that it'll be worse because intra-city buses stop more often.  But you're right overall.  If you think that buses are replacing individual drivers rather than pairs, then they don't have to have as many passengers to provide a net gain.

I think that intra-city buses are much more likely to replace single drivers, both for the reason you mentioned and because most people who drive to work drive by themselves.  While on longer trips, I tend to see at least two people in most cars, which is why I used that as my estimate.

Which all just goes to say that yes!  You're absolutely right that short-range buses probably don't need as many passengers to break even.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SDG: Thanks!  I&#8217;m glad it was useful.  The carbon calculator I used made planes seem especially bad by using a 2x multiplier to adjust for the fact that planes release their CO2 in the upper atmosphere.  I&#8217;d still avoid planes for that reason, but if you can&#8217;t avoid planes, I think your marginal difference in CO2 emissions (even with the unknown additional affect of where planes are producing their emissions) is going to be pretty low in a large plane full of people.  I know that Boeing and presumably other airplane manufacturers are trying to come up with better fuels.  Maybe in the future, we&#8217;ll ride veggie oil planes!</p>
<p>arduous: No problem.  I usually like running through numbers.  My analysis doesn&#8217;t really cover school buses anyway, since all of my numbers are for inter-city busing.  I don&#8217;t know how intra-city transportation compares, although my guess is that it&#8217;ll be worse because intra-city buses stop more often.  But you&#8217;re right overall.  If you think that buses are replacing individual drivers rather than pairs, then they don&#8217;t have to have as many passengers to provide a net gain.</p>
<p>I think that intra-city buses are much more likely to replace single drivers, both for the reason you mentioned and because most people who drive to work drive by themselves.  While on longer trips, I tend to see at least two people in most cars, which is why I used that as my estimate.</p>
<p>Which all just goes to say that yes!  You&#8217;re absolutely right that short-range buses probably don&#8217;t need as many passengers to break even.</p>
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		<title>By: arduous</title>
		<link>http://greencouple.com/2008/04/11/communal-travel-decisions/#comment-316</link>
		<dc:creator>arduous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 23:10:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Will this was a great post. Thank you VERY much for this.

The only thing about those small school buses is that, to be fair, while there are two people in the car driving to school, it's usually a parent and a child. Parent doesn't actually need to go to school, they're just driving because kid can't drive. So yes there are two people in the car, but one of those people doesn't count. When you factor in that the parent drives BACK home without kid, I think it works out so that if four children are on a school bus, then the school bus is worth it. Are my calculations correct?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Will this was a great post. Thank you VERY much for this.</p>
<p>The only thing about those small school buses is that, to be fair, while there are two people in the car driving to school, it&#8217;s usually a parent and a child. Parent doesn&#8217;t actually need to go to school, they&#8217;re just driving because kid can&#8217;t drive. So yes there are two people in the car, but one of those people doesn&#8217;t count. When you factor in that the parent drives BACK home without kid, I think it works out so that if four children are on a school bus, then the school bus is worth it. Are my calculations correct?</p>
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		<title>By: Student Doctor Green</title>
		<link>http://greencouple.com/2008/04/11/communal-travel-decisions/#comment-303</link>
		<dc:creator>Student Doctor Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 03:18:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will, I can say honestly that this post answered a question that I thought was unanswerable or at least not easily answerable. You explained the nitty gritty behind carbon calculators seemingly effortlessly. I had been ranting on No Impact Man months ago about stuff like this and called for this sort of analysis but there wasn't interest. Thank you so much for proving something I knew wasn't right: taking the bus or a train isn't always better and taking a plane isn't necessarily worse. It just depends, which I guess isn't as compelling as PLANES ARE THE DEVIL but it's certainly more honest. Thank you for this post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will, I can say honestly that this post answered a question that I thought was unanswerable or at least not easily answerable. You explained the nitty gritty behind carbon calculators seemingly effortlessly. I had been ranting on No Impact Man months ago about stuff like this and called for this sort of analysis but there wasn&#8217;t interest. Thank you so much for proving something I knew wasn&#8217;t right: taking the bus or a train isn&#8217;t always better and taking a plane isn&#8217;t necessarily worse. It just depends, which I guess isn&#8217;t as compelling as PLANES ARE THE DEVIL but it&#8217;s certainly more honest. Thank you for this post.</p>
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